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Monday, August 21, 2006

My Horrible Vacation Experience!

A Lesson in Customer Service and Common Courtesy!

My wife, Jayme, our 15-month old son, Neil, and our dog Lady went on vacation last weekend to Taylor Park, CO. I have been going to Taylor Park my entire life, and it is my all time favorite place to spend time! Unfortunately, we had an awful time! Here is the whole story:

We made the mistake of staying at "Holt's / Eibert's Guest Ranch." This outfit has not been in Taylor Park for very long (relatively speaking), and it is my opinion that it won't be there for much longer given the horrible customer service that I received!

We arrived on Friday, August 18. When I scheduled the reservations we originally were not planning on bringing the dog. So I told them it would be my wife, my son and myself. They said they had a "perfect" cabin for us... 3E. So I reserved it. Little did I know that it was a one-room, 250 square foot structure that was literally falling apart! For the privilege of staying there we would spend $75 per night plus "fees" (it ended up costing me over $200 per night - see below!).

We called back when we decided to take the dog, and they explained that it would be $5 more per night (added to the $75 per night already). We said that would not be a problem. Apparently, she forgot to make a note about this, because on the third day they accused me of sneaking in an "undeclared" pet and trying to pull a fast one over on them (see below).

If you have not been to Taylor Park, let me explain that it is way up in the Colorado Rocky Mountains. One year, I camped there over the Fourth of July weekend to wake up to four inches of snow! It is breath-takingly beautiful, but it can and does get very cold at night. This is not a place that I would willingly bring my 15 month old baby without heat in the cabin! Yet, that is exactly what I did!

Every time I asked about getting the heat in my cabin turned on, I was treated with what I can only describe a downright meanness. These people were downright mean! Now I am a patient, laidback, easy-going kind of guy. I can let an awful lot of things go, and I did for two whole (cold) nights.

On Sunday morning, we still had no heat. I finally was able to shame them into sending a guy over to look at it. According to him, he was not even told that there was a problem with my cabin until a few minutes before he came over. In fact, he went on to chastise me for not letting them know sooner! The lady at the front desk, on the other hand, had a completely different story! According to her, she had told him the first time I mentioned it.

Then she lit into us for having the dog! I explained that we called back after our initial conversation to let her know that we were bringing the dog. She stood in front of me and insinuated that I was lying to her face. That was the final straw for me. She ultimately was able to "recall" the second conversation. By that, time, I was ready to go.

Believe it or not, they begged us to stay. They even offered to upgrade us to a nicer "mobile home!" Whoopty Doooo! Why would I want to stay at a place where I have been so severely mistreated for three days and two nights? They acted like they were doing me a favor by allowing me to stay!

They refused, by the way, to refund me my money for the unused part of our stay (they charged us in advance for the whole five nights). This means I spent over $200 per night for a "Ted Kosinsky" like cabin.

This woman continued to say that she would do whatever it took to make us happy. She was not willing to refund us the three nights we did not use, so I guess she must be a habitual liar. Unfortunately, there is not much that I can do about it.

Experts say that if you are treated poorly by a business, twelve people on average will hear about it. In this case, it is my goal to multiply that by 1000 times. I have a lot of work to do to reach this goal, but I am very determined!

Sincerely,

Jay Haynes
Sensei

28 Comments:

  • At Tue Aug 22, 09:58:00 PM 2006, Blogger deb said…

    Eesh! What a mess!

     
  • At Thu Sep 14, 10:35:00 AM 2006, Blogger vikki bennett said…

    All i can say is that since Holts has changed hands and the Mannings are no loger running it it as gone to hell.Since i was 12 we always stayed there,never a problem. Two years ago we went up there to find it had changed hands.We had dirty sheets on the bed,a god awful smell later to find out it was someones dinner left inside the oven from 2 weeks ago.The people running it had ATVs running all hours of the night,Shirley would never allow this.The ATVs drove across the lawn where are small children were playing at the time with no regaurd to them. Trash was over flowing. So yes I know where you are coming from. It sad to see such a thing.

     
  • At Mon Sep 18, 07:26:00 AM 2006, Blogger Jay Haynes said…

    Vicki,

    Thanks for your feedback. I stayed at Holt's several years ago and enjoyed the experience very much. That was when the Mannings were still there, and they were wonderful. It really has gone downhill since then!

    Jay Haynes

     
  • At Fri May 18, 12:30:00 AM 2007, Blogger Karen said…

    Thanks for the info I am planing on renting a cabin there or somewhere around tin cup for my daughters graduation party. I met the people who run Frenchys a couple yrs ago They were real #**?! but I am in love with the area as a matter of fact when I die my ashes will be spread in with my favorite ghost at the cementary.

     
  • At Sun Jun 03, 06:44:00 AM 2007, Blogger Jay Haynes said…

    Hmmm,

    Okay, now I am curious! Who is your favorite "ghost?"

    Jay Haynes

     
  • At Mon Jun 04, 12:21:00 PM 2007, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Thank you for this information. We ususally stop at Frenchy's for pie after a good ride. We won't be doing business there this year after your experince at their lodging place.

     
  • At Tue Jun 26, 01:35:00 PM 2007, Anonymous J Cama said…

    I'm not sure where you stayed, but I doubt it was at Holts/Eiberts Guest Ranch. We just spent the last week there June 16-25, 2007 and had a great time. The cabin was spotless, the beds were clean and more firm that any I had stayed in at any of the locations we have used in the past 20 years. We have stayed at 3-rivers, Taylor Park, Silent Springs, Big Horn Guest Ranch and so forth.

    The owner Elanor was very nice to us during our stay as were the other members of the staff.

    The maintenace guy was really a nice guy and so was the lady who handled the booking.

    I placed my dirty towels out in the morning and had clean, fresh ones by the time I returned from fishing. We even had two young buck deer in the back yard - they even had the velvet on their antlers.

    Now all I have to say is shame on whoever started the rumor that Holts/Eiberts was not a nice place to stay. Other families I had spoken to who have stayed at Holts for over 20 years said they had never had any experiences like the ones described above.

    Frenchy's hamburgers are still the best I've had in the area.

    If you have not stayed in Colorado in a cabin before, please keep in mind you will not be staying at the Ritz no matter where you decide to stay. The cabins are all clean and very nice - we really have not had any bad experiences - except one location in Gunnison and I won't tarnish their reputation, it just wasn't our type of place.

    And for the ATV comment, there were a few there, but I did not hear anyone racing around on them and no one was up early on them. Anyone who would ride through the kid's area between the cabins would have been stopped, the 2nd afternoon Mary didn't recognize us on the play ground and stopped by to make sure we were guests there.

    My 10 year old had a great time playing with the other kids, some who were staying all year.

    Please, please do not take some of the comments seriously above, again, I'm not sure where these people stayed, but it certianly wasn't the same place we stayed!

    If you want pictures, post a blog and I'll put them out there, so you can see what a nice, clean place this was.

    I do not believe that Elanor has owned Frenchy's very long - but I'll send them and email and find out. The lady who served us was very frendly and even remembered us when she saw us again a couple of days later at Holts!

    J Cama

     
  • At Tue Jun 26, 03:50:00 PM 2007, Blogger Jay Haynes said…

    Mr. or Ms. Cama,

    Thank you for your post. I appreciate all comments on this weblog.

    I think it is important to explain to you that I am not so stupid that I do not know where I stayed! I am actually quite insulted by your statements to the contrary. I personally do not make a habit of insulting people's intelligence (especially people I have not even met!), and would not assume that you are a moron just because you have a perception that is different from mine. Please do me the same courtesy.

    “Shame” on you J Cama for calling my statements of fact merely a "rumor." What happened, happened, and it happened exactly the way I described. Period.

    In response to your comments, I would first say that your "20 years" statement has no relevancy to the current situation at Holt's / Eibert's since the new management has recently taken over. In fact, I was treated extremely well by the previous owners!

    Secondly, Taylor Park is a wonderful place to stay, complete with wildlife and all! So the deer comment also has no relevancy either. The deer do not stay away because the owners are jerks.

    Lastly, I found it interesting that you had to deal with the maintenance guy. I hope you didn't need him for heat! Hopefully, you only dealt with him in passing.

    I stand by everything I have stated, and I do know where I stayed in August of 2006.

    Sincerely,

    Jay Haynes
    Sensei

     
  • At Mon Jul 09, 02:12:00 PM 2007, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Abilene,Kansas to Taylor Park.
    July 15 we will leave for Holts Guest Ranch. I know it has changed, but I believe the cabins we have stayed in have been very nice, we stay in the cabins with a shower and I believe they are a little nicer, but I have also heard from a friend who has stayed at Holts for 25 years that the trading post cabins are not as nice as at Holts at least the one he stayed in last year ( 2006 ). Lets hope my stay this year will be good. A Kansas On His Way.....

     
  • At Mon Jul 23, 09:29:00 AM 2007, Anonymous Rip Daniels said…

    From Abilene Kansas....

    Just got home from Taylor Park and Holts after a weeks stay. Our hot water heater went out and was replaced immediately in cabin # 1. The stay was great and enjoyed every minute at Holts. We found 5 gold nuggets south of Tin Cup, and were very excited. Was a lot of work with sluice and pans. The trash was picked up every day by 8 am Colorado time and towels were replace every day and not one time were missed or late. I also have been staying at Holts for approx 25 years and would highly recommend them for a great place to stay. It is roughing it to somewhat but is nice and cool climate and lots of fishing , prospecting, atv ing. Any questions or comments on Holts I would be glad to answer. Thanks for the opportunity to comment on Holts. my email ams@access-one.com

     
  • At Thu Feb 14, 06:54:00 AM 2008, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Been staying at Holts for years. We have noticed a change in the up keep, but have always been treated fairly. Each year there is different staff, maybe your experience will make them a bit more picky. Customer Service is what it is all about. I can't wait to go back. I have two trips planned there this summer.
    Shelley (Centennial)

     
  • At Mon Mar 17, 04:01:00 AM 2008, Blogger yardmastertom said…

    Our family stayed at holts august 2006, we had a great time, and experience even after my wife tried to blow up the cabin with the gas stove, and my buddies dog who was staying in the next cabin chased the owner(Mary), they were still very nice, and even gave me and my wife an extra night for free for our birthdays! The kids love it there too! I guess every experience will be different, but ours was good!!

     
  • At Mon Mar 17, 04:55:00 AM 2008, Blogger Jay Haynes said…

    (Yard Master) Tom,

    I am glad to hear that you had gas to blow the cabin up with... that is certainly more than we had!

    They gave you a free night? They must have given you one of the three they stole from me! Since they still owe two more, so you should ask if you can have those also.

    Your dog chased her? Did they accuse you of having an undeclared pet? In my case they were much more concerned about the 20 year old, torn up, mud stained carpet than they were heat for my 15 month old son!

    Jay Haynes

     
  • At Mon May 05, 12:06:00 PM 2008, Blogger Rip Daniels said…

    may 5, 2008 Rip Daniels Said....
    I have reservations again for Holts and we are very satisfied with the folks at Holts. Will be in Cabin 1 July 7 thru 13th,2008 . We prospect for gold, fish, and ride ATV, and enjoy every minute of the area and also Holts. If u are in Taylor Park area stop and c the color we have found. We have several places we discovered a small amount of gold, not a lot but very satisfying when the color appears. Thanks and enjoy the Colorado areas.........
    Rip Daniels Abilene, Kansas

     
  • At Mon May 05, 12:25:00 PM 2008, Blogger Jay Haynes said…

    Rip,

    Thanks for the comment. I hope that you have a good time while staying in Colorado!

    Jay Haynes
    Sensei

     
  • At Wed May 07, 06:32:00 PM 2008, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    My family has been a part of Taylor Park for four generations. Holt/Eiberts USED to be a great place to stay. Now, it is overran by ATV's and places to stay that only want your money. I have nothing nice to say about Eiberts. The owners will lie, and Frency's is dirty. If you want to come to Taylor Park, be someone who appreciates sollitude and respects the enviornment without the overuse.

     
  • At Fri May 16, 11:41:00 AM 2008, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Stayed at Holts 2 years ago for the annual " go back to Colo, get out of the furnace we call Phoenix, and land Trophy Mackinaw" trip. My experience was pretty much the same as Jay's. Although it sounds like they are getting better ( maybe rookie ownership issues ), I decided it is better to stay in Gunnison, and drive up at 4:30 am, and Cheaper. Rip...We will be there the same time. I will be there 7/7 to 7/9, then Heading to Bartlesville Okla to visit family and go Striper fishing. So if you see an SUV with AZ Plates...That will be me.

     
  • At Sat Jun 07, 10:05:00 PM 2008, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Jay going to Taylor in July where would you suggest a person to stay?

     
  • At Sun Jun 08, 06:38:00 AM 2008, Blogger Jay Haynes said…

    I would highly recommend the Taylor Park Trading Post. You can find their information at...

    taylorparktradingpost.com

    I hope this helps! If you need anything else, please do not hesitate to ask.

    Sincerely,
    Jay Haynes

     
  • At Tue Jul 01, 10:25:00 AM 2008, Anonymous Samantha said…

    Last year was our first year ever being to Colorado, and fell in love with the area, we went with some family members who have been going for 30+ years, we stayed at Taylor Park Trading Post and couldn't have asked for better service, although it was torture not having an ATV or dirt bike (and no way we could have afforded $159 a day for an ATV), we had the time of our lives on bicycles and our own two feet, climbed Mount K which was a blast but when we got to the top we were dying for a Dr. Pepper machine!

    We have a reservation to stay at Taylor Park again, I was wondering before we reserve a cabin again for next year..have you ever stayed down at the Quartz Creek Cabins in Pitkin, or heard anything about them? Taylor Park is great but I was curious to check out the other areas, lol didn't want to suggest we stay there next year if it turned out anything near what u experienced at Holts. Would greatly appreciate any suggestions on next years stay.

    Thanks from The Okies!

     
  • At Thu Jul 03, 01:07:00 PM 2008, Blogger Jay Haynes said…

    Samantha,

    I have never stayed down in Pitkin, but the area is very nice. If you decide to do that, please let me know how your experieince was! Thanks for posting!

    Jay Haynes

     
  • At Wed Jul 16, 02:22:00 PM 2008, Anonymous Rip Daniels said…

    Just arrived home in Abilene, Ks
    (Boyhood Home of Dwight D. Eisenhower) after a stay with Eleanor at Holts Guest Ranch. My Son, Grandson and I had a great time prospecting, and riding 4 wheelers on a lot of the trails. Had snow and sleet on the 8th or 9th of July. Weather conditions were perfect and so was our stay at Holts. Being a business man I know u can not please everyone, but in my opinion Eleanor does a fine job to make people comfortable. This was not my first time at Holts. I have been going there for many years and I realize this is not a Holiday Inn and would not expect a first class motel in the area, we go there to get away from that kind of area. This is my opinion and I am sticking to it. Thanks........Rip Daniels Abilene, Kansas
    ams@access-one.com

     
  • At Wed Jul 30, 09:55:00 AM 2008, Blogger Lobe said…

    Wow, All i can say to your story is "Deja Vu"! My family and i have been going there for the last five years including this year. In fact we just got back last week! The Grills dont work, the shower leaks, you can see daylight through the bathroom walls, theres mold around the showeres, theres an inch of dirt under the beds, and the service is terrible!! When i went down to get some bath towels from the office she gave me four and then told me to bring down my dirty ones, this kinda made me mad part of theyre service is to go around and pick up the dirty towels! Beyond that, a guy in our party was sick one day and decided to stay at his cabin! Elenor (the lady who runs the Ranch) just walked in the cabin without knocking and started talking to him while he was on the shitter!

     
  • At Fri Dec 26, 09:18:00 AM 2008, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Rip Daniels Said

    Well here it is December 26 day after Christmas and will soon be calling Holts again for cabin in July. We always call in January for reservations and have always had a very good time there and have always been treated very nicely. The owners had given us permission to prospect on their claim last year. We have been finding GOLD the last 3 years and find it is a lot of work but really enjoy it. We keep our gold each year and look at it all winter. Also we bring the 3 Four Wheelers and ride all the trails. The weather is great especially when the temp. is 105 back home in Kansas. We have found the cabins are clean every year and we cant wait to get back. Thanks Colorado for having such a great place....
    From the Boyhood Home Of Dwight D. Eisenhower Abilene, Kansas
    Rip, Austin, and Rick Daniels
    email ams@access-one.com

     
  • At Mon May 11, 12:22:00 PM 2009, Anonymous Rip Daniels said…

    Hots and Colorado here we come... Rip, Rick, and Austin have already made reservations for Holts July 18 thru July 25, have been doing a lot of gold prospecting the last 3 years, have done real well, but is a lot of work. This is such a beautiful area and would recommend it to anyone. We will be in Cabin # 1 again with silver ford f-250 with shell and Kansas Veterans tag. Stop and say hello it u are in the area.

     
  • At Wed Jun 17, 09:31:00 AM 2009, Blogger runs-on-fire said…

    I dont know about the negative comments here. I was up in 2008 for 2 weeks and loved it so much, I am staying all summer long this year 2009 and every summer the rest of my life! I was treated like family. The cabins are old and rustic. They are kept very clean. The lady in the office, Mary is very nice and will call the maintance guy, Dave for any issue's that may come up like re-lighting the furnace. They are making allot of up-grades this year. HEY RIP! I have GOLD FEVER! We have been collecting buckets of dirt from streams and the like. Just have to figure out how to get the gold out. I will say hi when you are there in cabin 1 on July 19-25. My name is Jeff

     
  • At Thu Jun 18, 05:46:00 PM 2009, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    LOL, well you're one closer to your 1000 target. I'm going to keep an open mind on the place as some time has passed since your nightmare. but thanks for the heads up anyway.

    Your review reminded me of this one for a place in the same area. ;)

    Cottonwood hot springs, Buena Vista, Colorado

     
  • At Sun Jul 12, 11:40:00 AM 2009, Anonymous Just sayin' said…

    Reading all the comments, I can't help but wonder if a couple perhaps is related to or in some way partioning for the Holts place!!! Why else dispute and honest experience by someone just trying to share a negative experience. I'm sure had they had that expereince they would have felt compelled to do the same. Jaye, sounds like you may have been directly responsible for the Holts 'cleaning' up their act. I don't care if they are perfectly nice and accomodating to 1000 people, if I know they even have the capability to being rude and freezing a 15 month old baby....I'm not so dumb as to take the risk with my well earned vacation or money! Thanks for the warning Jaye....heed well recieved! I couldn't help but chuckle at the person trying to compare the difference of the Holiday Inn to a mountain resort....anyone ever looking for a mountain retreat knows this....but how about a little heat, and some courtesy wouldn't hurt, even for a mountain resort! I think your point was completely lost on him! By the way, we are going in September but decided on a nice cozy cabin so we won't have to depend on the whims of a host!!!

     

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